Williams homologation certificate?

[Brian]

Hi all, newbie here.

I want to race a Williams in a production championship, but the regs state that minimum 5000 cars have to be produced.  A lesser number is acceptable if the car was group N (production) homologated.  All I can find on Google is Wikipedia etc stating that "500 cars were produced and homologated for racing".  It will really help my case if anybody is able to provide any more info on the homologation, any useful links to original source material etc.

Cheers
Brian

[Graham.]

Well worldwide 1000s of williams were produced, minimum of 500 for homologation was easily reached

[Rob.]

The clio williams was homologated on 1st March, 1994, at 1998cc, for group f2 of the WRC, homologation number f3 314, under the country FRANCE, manufacturer RENAULT.

It was later also homologated for other series.

There were definately more than 5000 produced world wide.

[Brian]

Thanks for the quick replies chaps.  Should have said, it's for a classic (pre '94) championship, so production numbers are specific to the earliest (phase one?) Williams.  I thought from stuff I've found on the web that there were only 500 made, but mebbe I got it wrong and that was Uk only?  Be delighted if I was wrong!!  Do you have any links to the homologation stuff or production numbers, I need something official to show that the car was homologated for group N (production class) or else that there were more than 5000 of that model and specification produced.  Thanks.

Cheers
Brian

[Graham.]

regarding your choice it would be a williams 1 as its production year was 93, as for numbers alledgedly it was a UK run of 400 but we've seen 425 i think and the foreign numbers i think ive seen 3000+ plaque numbers.

Rob would know more on these figures than me as he owns half of the ones left, and Mat has broken the other half

[Rob.]

To get to production numbers I would write to Renault, but i am 100% certain they made over 5000 Williams 1s. 400 in the Uk and the rest in Europe (Germany, France, Italy, etc.). Here is the data i use, but i cannot verify it is 100% accurate, but it looks about right to me:



To get the homologation data, just go to the FIA web site. They have PDFs of all the FIA homologated cars. I dont think the Clio Williams was homologated specifically for group N. Like i say, it was homologated in 1994 for group F2. Because Renault didnt run a works group N team, its unlikely they would bother homologating it for such. I am pretty sure the Williams ran in Group N in private teams.



The Clio 16v 1.8 was homologated in 1991 by the FIA for group A, and the Clio Williams in 1994 for group F2. If you go to youtube and watch the 1994 WRC championship videos, you can see clips of Ragnitti and others in the roup F2 Clios. Interestingly, the non sequential cars always seemed faster than the sequential ones. I know Ragnotti prefered to run the H pattern box.

The best way to find out all this data, is to use google in french, as most of the english sites are inhabited by clueless idiots. The italian sites also have good info on the european cars.

[Rob.]

regarding your choice it would be a williams 1 as its production year was 93, as for numbers alledgedly it was a UK run of 400 but we've seen 425 i think and the foreign numbers i think ive seen 3000+ plaque numbers.

Rob would know more on these figures than me as he owns half of the ones left, and Mat has broken the other half

It is irrelevant if the number go to 425, because some of the lower numbers are left hand drive. It is the total that is important.

[Brian]

Top info thanks, will chase it up, looks like the car could be in